Re: A sign of the times
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04/12/09 03:58 PM
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DavidRamey
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David, I'm HONESTLY asking this, not trying to be inflammatory. I do love to sincerely research both sides of any issue. Is there a good link or book you can recommend?
I will look for some links and post them. Read "Along the Border with Crook". It is about the capture of Geronimo written by the people who were there at the time. It has daily temperature readings of Arizona in the 1870 to 1880's. They are higher than what Arizona has today. Go to the weather bureau and look up weather records. You will find that most of the higher temperatures were in the 1920's and 1930's during the dust bowl era. Those temperatures were higher then than what we have today.
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What's causing Polar Bears to starve and come into conflict with Kodiaks as they move inland searching for food while their ice sheets/hunting grounds retreat? (We've all seen those images on TV but they may be out of context?)
When the marine mammal act was passed in 1972, there were 9000 Polar Bears. Today there are 25,000 Polar Bears. Where are they starving? Polar Bears are a 1000 miles north of Kodiak bears and they do not meet. Polar bears eat a lot of Marine Mammals off the ice shelf. They always come inland after Whale season to feed on Whale Carcassas. They have done this for hundreds of years. The "drowned" Polar Bear that a photographer photographed that supposedly drowned due to not being able to swim far enough across the arctic ocean, was in fact drowned by a Walrus. When a Polar Bear hunts, he swims under the water and then comes to the surface when he sees a shadow of prey on the ice pack. He jumps up out of the water to capture his prey. If it is a Walrus, the Walrus turns over pinning the bear between the Walrus tusks and then dives into the water drowning the Polar Bear. Polar Bears are found from The west coast of Alaska to the arctic ocean. Brown bears are found in southwestern Alaska and the south central coastal alaska to southeastern alaska. Grizzly bears are found in the interior of alaska. Kodiak bears are a sub species of brown bear and are found ONLY on Kodiak Island.
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The Eskimos are also having to give up their traditional ice-fishing and hunting areas, supposedly due to ice melt and thinning. What is actually going on that the reports may not have shared with us? (Believe me I know the media can distort anything it wants to.)
The Eskimos traditional fishing (not ice fishing) and hunting is being legislated away by the US congress, the US Fish & Wildlife and the international whaling commission.
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What is really causing these ice shelves to deteriorate, if in fact they are?
age, weight, friction from moving on a gravel bottom, summer heat.... ice (as a glacier) is always moving. As it moves along the ground, it creates friction which produces heat, which causes melting of the glacier from the bottom. This is why all land glaciers have a stream flowing out from under them. This causes stress which causes cracks (crevaces) and breaking of the ice. We have ice bridges breaking up in the winter at -40F and that is NOT caused by warm weather. The ice that broke in Antarctica broke during their summer (our winter).
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The earth does have cycles but humans also cause harm. What is confusing here is knowing where each one ends and the other begins.
This is the current politaical myth. Humans due cause some minor harm, but it is grossly blown out of proportion. I just whitnessed the melting of an entire glacier within a 24 hour period of time with the Mt Redoubt eruption. What you will NEVER hear on the news is in 1989-1990 eruption, Mt Redoubt melted that same glacier during that eruption. Now you have to ask yourself if we have such global warming, how was it possible for Mt Redoubt to rebuild the drift glacier in a 20 year period of time?
The political reality of global warming is taxes. You keep hearing how they want to tax carbon dioxide (CO2). Every living thing either breaths in oxygen and exhales carbon dioxide or as with plants breaths in carbon dioxide and exhales oxygen. Governments never gives up a tax once it is able to collect it. Look at the excise tax on your telephone. LBJ enacted that tax to pay for the Vietnam War and it was going to be eliminated once the war was over. Well, 35 years later, we still have that tax. Lets say that we allow a tax on CO2 and industry figures out a way to produce things without emitting CO2. Think the government will eliminate that tax? We would then have a defacto tax on breathing. CO2 emissions was legislated into industry by the EPA standard on automobiles. EPA was started in 1962 to clean up the air. The automobile was targeted as the polluter. The EPA targeted hydrocarbons, oxides of nitrogen and carbon monoxide. In 1963 we had our first air polution device installed on cars (PVC valve). Through the years, the cars have gotten to the point that they produce 99.99% less polution but the target cities still have as bad pollution as they had in 1962. In 1962 you could by a Corvair that got 30 miles to the gallon and it cost $2000.00. Now you can buy an HHR that gets 30 miles to the gallon that costs $20,000.00. Where has the EPA fixed anything? The government never fixes anything, just makes things worse. When the EPA mandated the use of catalytic converters on cars, that started producing CO2 as a byproduct instead of CO.
We are appraching Earth Day. Look up the history of Earth Day. In 1972, the focus on Earth Day was how to keep from going into the next ice age because of the "greenhouse" gasses. Now we are focusing on how to stop global warming because of "greenhouse" gasses.
The fact is they are looking for a solution that doesn't have a problem.
If you want to discuss this any further, please e-mail me or call me on the telephone [907-262-5642) as this gets very political and this is not the forum for this discussion.
I appolgize to the moderators for getting into this discussion here, but just wanted to try to answer a legitamate question.
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My friend at the museum tells me we SHOULD be heading into another Ice Age but that Man's activities are slowing or stopping this natural cycle. It is an astronomy and research center, they get the global satelite images we see, as well as readings from volcanos etc., and all the correspondence from scientists around the world. So that is what I hear and have been basing my concerns on, but that may just be one side of the equation.
Where can I read about other causes and explanations from sources you trust? (Or personal observation, in your case, living in the heart of it all!)
e-mail me or call me to discuss this any further.
David Ramey Photography
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