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New Picture #20077
01/27/09 09:57 PM
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I know this isn't really wildlife or pet...but I did see it on my grandpa's farm and thought it presented a great opportunity for a picture. In messing around with PS I decided that black and white went well with this picture. Any critiquing would be great!



Thanks

Dan

Re: New Picture [Re: outdoorpassion] #20078
01/29/09 02:06 AM
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Hi Dan - It might not be wildlife or pet, but it sure seems like nature to me, and on your grandpa's farm no less. That makes it special and the image definitely got my attention.

You've asked for critiques and I'm glad to offer mine though I think there are folks around here who are better qualified than I am concerning landscape and nature photography. Hopefully you'll hear from them tool

I like the moderator's 1-5 point rating system so I'll follow that outline:

Composition/use of frame space - 2 - I feel there is too much real estate below and to the left. It doesn't add to the image and in fact it detracts by virtue of the business of the detail in those areas and because it distracts from what seems to be the central point of the image - that happy little shack out in the clearing.

Colors/White Balance - 3- I like your choice to desaturate but I think greyscale goes too far. Sepia tone seems perfect for an image that evokes times past.

Exposure - 3 - Clearly this was a tough scene to expose correctly what with the bright sky against the numerous dark elements. My eye misses at least some detail or gradient in the sky to help balance the image top to bottom. My thought would be to make two exposures, one for the sky and one for the darker areas, then blend them to taste.

Creative use of Aperture/Shutter - 4 or n/a - Whatever aperture/shutter speed you used gave you reasonable depth of field and I'm not sure how creative you'd want to get with a scene like this, since I think it's evocative theme doesn't need much in the way of enhancements. Could offer more specific comments if you will share your EXIF data. Is it embedded in the image? I forgot to check.

Perspective - 1-2 - For me it's all about the little shack out there in the clearing. I'd love to see that more revealed and at a flattering angle.

Creativity - see Emotion -

Emotion - 4 - You were really on to something human here, more than just a pretty scene. I salute you for that.

Forethought/Visualization - 1 - This is like the pot calling the kettle black as forethought/visualization is an area where I need to do a lot of work myself. Wouldn't it be both interesting and rewarding to return to this location over and over again until you figure out exactly how you want to capture it, especially from a composition standpoint and with careful regard to the best time of day so that the light and overall contrast is just right!

Post processing - 2 - I've mentioned attention to cropping and sepia tone but the first thing I did with the image was duplicate the background layer and apply a gaussian blur which I then blended with the original, which seemed either over sharpened or more likely just suffering from too much contrast. This really showed up in the foreground grass as well as a couple of other areas. When I got the blur layer the way I wanted it, I duplicated that layer and applied the high pass filter at around 3 then switched the layer from normal to overlay, adjusting opacity to taste. That brought back some of the detail - or I should say some of the right kind of detail - and left a reasonable foundation from which to proceed with dodging in the center around the shack and burning around the outside such that the eye is drawn in to even past the shack to that nice little tree and patch of sun even further back into the scene.

And finally, I just couldn't resist placing your image in a somewhat different context that expresses what it stirred up in me. I tried to do the things with it in photoshop that I mentioned in the various categories above. Forgive the tacky frame - again, I just couldn't resist. Thanks for sharing your image and inviting feedback!


Re: New Picture [Re: Buddy Thomason] #20079
01/29/09 09:42 AM
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Wow, The original is nice raw material to start with and I really like what Buddy has done with it.

Re: New Picture [Re: Jim Poor] #20080
01/29/09 11:09 AM
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WOW!!! You made that picture look amazing! I am going to mess around with the original and see what I can get. Thanks!!

Re: New Picture [Re: outdoorpassion] #20081
01/29/09 12:21 PM
01/29/09 12:21 PM
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I would only echo Buddies full review, so I will only add what I think is missing..

Not only would I go back and get the crop correct in the camera so your not wasting pixels..but I would go on an overcast day, or early in the evening or morning and capture light that isnt so harsh.

I like the crop Buddy put on it and I think that he nailed the best approcach with the current photo.

When you go back don't forget to play with perspective as well....maybe try tome wide angle shots showing depth.

Just some ideas..

Roman

Re: New Picture - color version? [Re: outdoorpassion] #20082
01/29/09 01:42 PM
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Quote:

I know this isn't really wildlife or pet...but I did see it on my grandpa's farm and thought it presented a great opportunity for a picture. In messing around with PS I decided that black and white went well with this picture. Any critiquing would be great!

Thanks

Dan




Dan,

I too think that Buddy pretty well nailed it for this image and Roman's advice is spot on. I'm not a big lover of sepia toning, but I think it does work here.

I would be interested in seeing what the original color version looked like. There are some tricks that can be done with conversion to BW depending on the colors. Any chance you could post a good sized color version?

Geo

Re: New Picture - color version? [Re: glamson] #20083
01/29/09 01:50 PM
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This not the original image...I cannot seem to find that Image at the moment but this is as close as it comes to it...i'll keep looking

First of all this picture was taken with a cheap $100 P&S camera. I was just trying to see what it would look like and if it was willing to take more pictures when I get my real camera. I plan on buying a Canon Rebel XSI within the next month or so...


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Re: New Picture - color version? [Re: outdoorpassion] #20084
01/29/09 08:20 PM
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Quote:

This not the original image...I cannot seem to find that Image at the moment but this is as close as it comes to it...i'll keep looking

First of all this picture was taken with a cheap $100 P&S camera. I was just trying to see what it would look like and if it was willing to take more pictures when I get my real camera. I plan on buying a Canon Rebel XSI within the next month or so...






Dan,

Thanks for posting the color version. After seeing it, I get a completely different vibe than your original BW post. I see a somewhat gloomy view of a foggy rural landscape. With this in mind I have gone a different route than Buddy. I still think the shed is the anchor point but I would put it in the context of the leafless foggy woods it is in. In the conversion to BW I tried to maintain the gloomy fog shrouded woods, but with some judicious burning and dodging I tried to create a corridor of light that leads the eye to the shed with the woods forming a darker backdrop.

Actually, I would have liked to have been there to shoot this scene. As Roman said there were alot of images that could have been made here from different vantage points.

Anyway here another view


Re: New Picture - color version? [Re: glamson] #20085
01/29/09 09:14 PM
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WOW!!! I have no idea what you did but it looks amazing!!! After messing around in photoshop myself this is what I came up with...I decided to add a meaningful quote to me... let me know what you think


Re: New Picture - color version? [Re: outdoorpassion] #20086
01/29/09 09:17 PM
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Like I said I am buying a Canon Rebel XSI hopefully within the next month, and since this farm is about two hours from my house and we go there a lot...I well definitely have to put in some real effort... Thanks for all the comments guys! It feels good for a rookie like me to get some meaningful insight!!!

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