Seriously.

Roman

Hey Everyone,

John Isaac has been away and sent me an e-mail today. Someone had mentioned this thread to him and he wanted me to please assure everyone that this image is absolutely not a composite. Honestly, I had not thought it was. That is not John's style.

From John:

"I wish to clarify that it is a single shot done with the wide angle zoom.

Just that I moved and positioned myself to be at an angle so that I could get that image.

I can prove it with my raw file. Please tell this reader not to accuse when they do not know the facts. Tell the to put their money where their mouth is....and I will take the challenge.

That image was used by Adobe for their Lightroom page and I was in Iceland for Adobe to beta test the software.

My best to you,
John

PS: I worked as a photojournalist all my life. I have not manipulated any of my images so far
and published them."

I would guess then that Facebooks upload was responsible for those areas with the artifacts.

Maybe that proves what a skilled photographer that John Isaac is, to get a shot you yourself(Attila) didn't deam possible. Its wrong to falsely accuse people of something as serious as deceptive practices. Especially someone who isn't a hobbyist as yourself, but, makes their entire living off their images *and* reputation.

I think the halos are a result of post processing. Probably shadow / highlights.

I sent John a message on FB a while back and invited him to come comment. Hopefully, when he gets back, he'll still pop in.

That said, it won't convince those who don't want to be convinced.

Hey Jim,

John asked me to please post the material that I did on his behalf. He was shooting in India during most of the post and got a few notes about the thread.

James

Yeah, I read that part. I'm still hoping he stops by later, but . . .

I really wondering, why is the aura around the horses front of the sky, why is the fogy edge under the closer horse head/chin, why is the unsharp parts on the mane, why is the lower lip got unnatural shape, why is the otherwise long chin hairs(beard?) ending where is the contour of the chin?

I did chek one of my deer photo was scanned in a low res, and the deer is much further then the horse, but still the chin hair (beard) can be seen on the picture. On John's photo those long chin hairs are visible, but they are ending right on the contour. It is happening if the surrounding was erased and the hair was erased with it too.

If you take a look on a lover lip, it looks like paritally open a little, but if you look closer, you can see something unnatural going on over there too. The lip line is suddenly changing, but the upper lip is became square.
Looks like the photographer tought the lips are was open a little and make a gap between them with the eraser tool in PS.
Under the head and front of the neck on the contour there is a fogy unsharp line. It is not happening on a not manipulated photo. Also the aura around the horses front of the sky is not happening on a non manipulated photo. I do photography on slide more then ten years, but non of my pictures ever happened anything like that!
On a mane, closer to the left edge of the picture, the long hairs suddenly became unsharp. But not just a little unsharp, it is totaly blured out! This much blure is happening if the subject is way out of the focal plane, or it was blured in Photoshop. But I have no idea why it needed to blure out that few sections, because it is not make any different (not make the picture better) but make it unnatural. The only reason I can think about, there was something needed to clone out, but the undetected cloning is very hard in such a places, so the inperfection of the cloning needed to be cover with the blure.
If not, I realy wandering why are those blured areas was happened on the picture.
One thing is for sure! These things I just mentioned here, are not happening on a not manipulated photo! So the picture was manipulated somehow.

The other question get in my mind is, the realtively clear sky, and the lighting conditions on the horses. There is clouds on the sky but not as thick, even we can see the blue sky. The sun can get trought on this thick clouds pretty well giving much more contrast lighting conditions. But on the horse, the lights shows as a lights in a very overcast day. There is no contrast no shadows, cant realy seen where the lighting coming from. Looks like the picture was taken an overcast day with thick clouds which act as a diffusor. But there is no thick clouds on the sky. This is the other reason, why I suspect that, the sky was added later to the picture.
So I really like to get answers to these questions, because I can't find any photography explanations to them, only one, the picture was extensively manipulated.

But of corse over here I gonna became a black sheep, a bad guy anyway no matther what.
But I know what I'm know. These effects are not hapening on a captured photo, but happening on a computer manipulated photos.

Funny, if a person focuses on something...it shows up everywhere he looks. Even if it truly isn't there.

And you’re not a black sheep here because we’re all against you. You’re a black sheep because that is the role you choose to play.

Stop being a zealot about Photoshop manipulation (even when there isn’t any)and I think you will find were all a lot easier to get along with once you treat us as equals instead of cheaters.

As a man thinkith....

Roman

So, you're calling John a liar? You know, that can get you in really big trouble.

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I really wondering, why is the aura around the horses front of the sky, why is the fogy edge under the closer horse head/chin, why is the unsharp parts on the mane, why is the lower lip got unnatural shape, why is the otherwise long chin hairs(beard?) ending where is the contour of the chin?

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I'm really wondering how you can see such fine detail on a facebook sized image. So, I took it to my large monitor and enlarged it as best I could. I think I can explain away almost all of your "concerns," but you probably won't listen.

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I did chek one of my deer photo was scanned in a low res, and the deer is much further then the horse, but still the chin hair (beard) can be seen on the picture. On John's photo those long chin hairs are visible, but they are ending right on the contour. It is happening if the surrounding was erased and the hair was erased with it too.

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I don't think these particular horses have "beards." Plus, if you zoom in really large, you can see that there are indeed hairs there.

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If you take a look on a lover lip, it looks like paritally open a little, but if you look closer, you can see something unnatural going on over there too. The lip line is suddenly changing, but the upper lip is became square.
Looks like the photographer tought the lips are was open a little and make a gap between them with the eraser tool in PS.

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You missed on this one bigtime. If you enlarge the photo, you'll see that the horse has a blade of grass sticking out of its mouth. That explains the break in the contour of the lip.

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Under the head and front of the neck on the contour there is a fogy unsharp line. It is not happening on a not manipulated photo. Also the aura around the horses front of the sky is not happening on a non manipulated photo. I do photography on slide more then ten years, but non of my pictures ever happened anything like that!

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I see the halo, I think it is a result of the shadow / highlight tool and is probably accented by sharpening as well as Facebook's crappy resizing algorithms. I also see a little fuzziness around the jaw (not the neck) but I am pretty sure that's subject movement.

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On a mane, closer to the left edge of the picture, the long hairs suddenly became unsharp. But not just a little unsharp, it is totaly blured out! This much blure is happening if the subject is way out of the focal plane, or it was blured in Photoshop. But I have no idea why it needed to blure out that few sections, because it is not make any different (not make the picture better) but make it unnatural. The only reason I can think about, there was something needed to clone out, but the undetected cloning is very hard in such a places, so the inperfection of the cloning needed to be cover with the blure.
If not, I realy wandering why are those blured areas was happened on the picture.
One thing is for sure! These things I just mentioned here, are not happening on a not manipulated photo! So the picture was manipulated somehow.

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If you really look instead of judge, you'll see that the wind is blowing the main. The longer hairs move more and are therefore more blurry. If you really look, you'll see that same blur in the hairs of the main all the way up the neck to the top of the head. The blur occurs toward the ends of the hair where there is more movement. The same thing happens to me when I shoot Bearded Collies running agility indoors. The long parts of the hair move so much that you need a really high shutter speed to stop the motion. I suspect, that this photo is taken in fairly low light and that the shutter speed wasn't all that fast.

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The other question get in my mind is, the realtively clear sky, and the lighting conditions on the horses. There is clouds on the sky but not as thick, even we can see the blue sky. The sun can get trought on this thick clouds pretty well giving much more contrast lighting conditions. But on the horse, the lights shows as a lights in a very overcast day. There is no contrast no shadows, cant realy seen where the lighting coming from. Looks like the picture was taken an overcast day with thick clouds which act as a diffusor. But there is no thick clouds on the sky. This is the other reason, why I suspect that, the sky was added later to the picture.
So I really like to get answers to these questions, because I can't find any photography explanations to them, only one, the picture was extensively manipulated.

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You're forgetting that this was taken in Iceland. I don't know the time of year or time of day, but it's not hard to figure out that you're also clueless about the lighting conditions there. I suggest that the sun was low enough to be below the horizon or below the tops of the rolling hills in the area and therefore casts no shadow.

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But of corse over here I gonna became a black sheep, a bad guy anyway no matther what.
But I know what I'm know. These effects are not hapening on a captured photo, but happening on a computer manipulated photos.

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No, not a black sheep, more of a jackass, but that's your own doing. The photographer has answered and said it's not a composite, yet you harp on and on about it. At this point, the only "manipulation" I think may have been done on the photo is a shadow / highlight adjustment which is perfectly acceptable and quite analogous to dodge/burn in the darkroom.