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Canon 30D for BIF shots #5953
12/22/06 09:33 AM
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Well, I got tired of the dealing with the poor AF tracking ability of my Minolta 7D. So I went out and bought a Canon 30D with a 400 f/56.L USM to use on flying birds. I've been shooting Minolta since the late 80s so using a Canon will take some getting used to. Initial impressions are that the Canon's AF tracking abilities are on par or better than my old Minolta Maxxum 7 which to me means a significant increase in keepers now. I never did understand who Minolta could send a DSLR to market with an AF system that was worse than what they had in a film camera produced 10 years ealier. Weather permitting (snowstorm right now) I will give the Canon gear a proper wringing out tomorrow and post some images.

Re: Canon 30D for BIF shots [Re: jamesdak] #5954
12/23/06 12:15 PM
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Hey Jim,

"I never did understand who Minolta could send a DSLR to market with an AF system that was worse than what they had in a film camera produced 10 years ealier."

LOL, believe it or not, I felt that Canon did the same thing when they released the Canon D30/D60. The AF on those models was significantly worse than the AF on the Rebel film camera (a camera with a price tag of 1/20th of what they were charging for the D30 when I purchased it). Having said that, while I have never used the Minolta for focus tracking, I have had the opportunity to use one with a friend of mine. I love the body and the bright viewfinder. The ergonomics are also really quite good.

Having said all that, I am sure you will learn to get used to the 30d pretty quickly. It is a very capable camera - and the ergonomics are also good.

I look forward to seeing some of your bird shots as you get them.

James

Konica-Minolta 7D vs Canon 30D 1st day in field [Re: James Morrissey] #5955
12/23/06 11:43 PM
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I took out my new Canon 30D today in the field with my KM 7D. The Canon had a 400 f/5.6 and the 7D my 300 f/4.0. Weather conditions were actually pretty poor for shooting birds in flight but that's what I went after. Temps are 25-30 degrees, strong overcast, slight snow. I went to a local bird refuge to do the shooting. First shots were of circling gulls. The AF on the Canon worked very well at tracking the birds and the 5 FPS was quite nice. I don't normally shoot gulls and had a bit of a hard time with my panning since they kept coming so close. The 30D focusing noise is much quiter than the 7Ds but I do believe the actual firing of the shutter is louder. In this same situation I got the usual hunting on the 7D with only a few in focus shots. Both camera's operated in continuous AF mode with both center AF sensor tried and wide sensor array used. I also used the focus limiter function on both lenses. Both bodies required exposure compensation of around 1 step to capture the flying birds accurately.

I have been worried about the two different ergonomics but to be honest I can't really call one better than the other. I always liked the way Minolta did the AF sensor selection setup but in all honest the 30Ds is just as easy if not easier to select. Both cameras can be set up to adjust exposure compensation with a back wheel and aperture with the front wheel so it's a draw there. I didn't really notice myself limited by either viewfinder.

In cold weather my breath can fog up the 7D's back LCD making it hard sometimes to see what I'm addressing. On the 30D adjustments are viewed on a top LCD so not a problem. The Minolta 300's tripod ring is a much nicer setup, well damped with no play and the lockdown knob is places well. On the Canon 400 the tripod ring is removable but I don't like how it flops around when unlocked or the placement of the lockdown knob. The built in lens shade of the Canon beats the awkward shade on the Minolta 300.

So, just a couple of short cold hours shooting but for capturing birds in flight the Canon is a much better setup. I got more keepers in those few hours today than I did over the past 8 months or so with the 7D. So, for this type of application the 30D is superior. As I get more time I will do comparision of IQ and such also but right now I want to process the Bald Eagle shots I got today. I also want to reserve judgement until I've done a lot of shooting and get some time on a sunny day. Conditions were bad today for quality shooting.

1st processed shot from the day:
http://www.pbase.com/jhuddle/image/72054501.jpg

Re: Konica-Minolta 7D vs Canon 30D 1st day in fiel [Re: jamesdak] #5956
12/24/06 10:29 AM
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Jim, that is a great Eagle shot. I am really impressed

Re: Konica-Minolta 7D vs Canon 30D 1st day in fiel [Re: Julie] #5957
12/24/06 11:22 PM
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SHOW OFF!! Seriously - very nice.

James

Re: Konica-Minolta 7D vs Canon 30D 1st day in fiel [Re: James Morrissey] #5958
12/25/06 10:40 PM
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I got out again this morning in real good rising sun light.
After just two outings with this Canon setup I feel like an idiot for not checking out other brands before. I've spent 8 frustrating months trying to get quality BIF shots and in two outings I've come up with more keepers than I did the whole 8 months with my 7D.

http://www.pbase.com/jhuddle/image/72135160.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/jhuddle/image/72135161.jpg


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