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Re: First practice doing pet photography [Re: Dee Dee] #12656
01/24/08 09:53 AM
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And a perfect nick name for "Hard Drive" LOL!!




Dee Dee,
you have no idea how perfect!!!! Never name your dog anything that could become predictive of behavior .

Here's what Crash looks like in his "shorn" state: that coat was just too much to maintain with Sundance saliva all over it.



John, now that looks like a Yellow Lab. I'll second Dee Dee's comments about your portfolio: very nice images. But shooting things that happen in the wild is not exactly the same as making things happen in pet or show photography. That's the part you have to learn. Clearly, you know the photography piece.

Jim


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Re: First practice doing pet photography [Re: Dee Dee] #12657
01/24/08 06:39 PM
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John you may have a little to learn about some of the dog breeds, but you certainly have nothing to learn about photography! I just looked in on your site, awesome work.




Thanks Dee Dee, I am always learning

Re: First practice doing pet photography [Re: Jim Garvie] #12658
01/24/08 06:41 PM
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But shooting things that happen in the wild is not exactly the same as making things happen in pet or show photography. That's the part you have to learn. Clearly, you know the photography piece.

Jim




Thanks Jim; I did some studio work back in the 70's; did a couple animals shoots but mostly people. Once I get my alien bees and backgrounds, I will start practicing every day. Until then, I am practicing outside

Re: First practice doing pet photography [Re: Visceral Image] #12659
02/10/08 04:31 PM
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Ohhh okay...since we're doing a "golden" study, I'll add my almost 8 month old, rebellious teenager,Brady.
Smarter than smart...to a FAULT! Boy can he read me!

Re: First practice doing pet photography [Re: MartaA] #12660
02/10/08 06:23 PM
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Marta,
well, Crash and I went for a walk along the Shingle Creek Nature Trail today. It's the first time I've taken him on that particular walk and he had a ball. Off-lead, stayed on the trail and met lots of wonderful people while we viewed some very pretty scenery.

We got to a clearing and I turned and saw that he was nicely back-lighted so I knelt down and grabbed a quick shot while he was resting. I was carrying my 70-200 F4L with a 1.4 TC on it so it was not exactly a portrait combo but I liked the feeling of having him with me and so happy.



On the way back, I found myself alone on the trail and called to Crash to catch up. When he finally came around the corner, he arrived with his new "treasure" which he carried all 5 miles back to the car (where it still resides!)



We had a wonderful time together. Crash doesn't always get the "me" time he needs so today was special for both of us. We'll do more. He's really a pretty terrific guy!

Jim


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Re: First practice doing pet photography [Re: Jim Garvie] #12661
02/10/08 08:46 PM
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Thanks for the chuckle, Jim!
Crash looks absolutely thrilled with his treasure, and ya gotta love em!
He kinda sorta looks like my Dice~!
Same big smile, and white face...yet she's only 6.
Fun!

Re: First practice doing pet photography [Re: Jim Garvie] #12662
02/11/08 02:10 PM
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Seriously, unplanned shots are great but if you're going to do pet photography, you need to set up a shoot where you're working a bit closer to the dog/cat and where you work on the most difficult aspect of pet photography: baiting. If you talk with James, Julie, Dee Dee and others, you'll find that getting expression, ears and head angle is the most difficult part of this particular discipline. To do that, you have to know what's correct and then figure out a way to get the animal to do it.




Just reading through this thread and found the above quote rather interesting. If I have interpreted the paragraph correctly it is suggesting that "pet photography" is more about posed sittings and portraiture type work than it is about candid photography where there is no setting up of the animal.

I'm wondering if others define pet photography in this manner, and if so, why candid style photography is not as highly regarded?

Quite interested in others opinions on this! And to the OP...I loved the beach shot!


Kim
Re: First practice doing pet photography [Re: Skeeter] #12663
02/11/08 03:06 PM
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Kim,
I was referring to "pet photography" as a form of business and not just a photographic subject. I can take lovely sunrise and sunset photos but in order for me to sell them, I'd have to get a lot more technically competent as well as creative -- kinda like Roman who creates outstanding landscape and fine art images.

In the business of "pet photography" most people are willing to pay for formal or informal portraits. You might even be able to get someone to pay for candids of your dog running on the beach or in a dog park. But the portraits require more sophisticated posing and baiting techniques than simply capturing the moment.

Jim


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Re: First practice doing pet photography [Re: MartaA] #12664
02/11/08 03:11 PM
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Marta,
Crash will be 8 this year (where does the time go?!!!). He felt so special yesterday and had such a good time. What a treat for both of us.

Jim


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Re: First practice doing pet photography [Re: Jim Garvie] #12665
02/11/08 05:41 PM
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Kim,
I was referring to "pet photography" as a form of business and not just a photographic subject.




As was I My question was posed with the OP's candid action shot of the Lab in mind. To me, it is a very marketable image but my impression after reading through the thread was that the image was somehow less worthy than a studio-type shot, and if the OP was serious about pet photography, he do better by focusing his efforts on portraiture and studio type work.

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I can take lovely sunrise and sunset photos but in order for me to sell them, I'd have to get a lot more technically competent as well as creative -- kinda like Roman who creates outstanding landscape and fine art images.





Agreed!!! But this is also where I lose you and perhaps where you're loosing me as well Keeping on topic and with the original candid action shot in mind, how is this style of photography any less technically or creatively complex than a studio type shot?

I will agree that they are entirely different styles of photography that call upon different skill sets from the photographer. I also agree that studio work requires more patience and creativity in getting the subject to cooperate, but I don't agree that the style of photography is more technically or artistically challenging, or has any more validity from a business perspective than other styles of pet photography.

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In the business of "pet photography" most people are willing to pay for formal or informal portraits. You might even be able to get someone to pay for candids of your dog running on the beach or in a dog park. But the portraits require more sophisticated posing and baiting techniques than simply capturing the moment.




The last sentence of the above paragraph seems to reduce candid style photography to nothing more than "snapshot" work that requires little in the way of technical, creative or artistic competence???

To clarify, I'm responding out of interest and because I think it's a good subject I'm not trying to stir the pot, just some interesting dialogue


Kim
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