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Anyone who thinks there is not pack order among all beings needs to sit in a field and watch a herd of horses, hang out in a schoolyard and watch the kids, go to a dinner party and observe the guests or watch a litter of puppies and see how they behave. All beings ascribe to pack order. we all must establish our place, whether dog, cat, horse, or human.



Each one of those cases involves pack order among members of a specific species. None of them describe an inter-species pack order. It just doesn't happen.

Any human who truly believe s/he can do anything exactly like a canine is fooling themselves. We are NOT canines, we're not built like them, we don't think like them and the idea that any of us can truly "speak dog" is ludicrous.

The barbaric methods of yesteryear are thankfully fading from popularity. Yes, they do produce results, but they do so at a cost and certainly don't work for the reasons that folks long thought they did.

There is a place for discipline, but things like Alpha rolls and scruff shakes have been long debunked as good training methods.

Best,
Jim

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