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Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson

Posted By: James Morrissey

Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 12/19/10 11:48 PM

Hey Folks,

I appear to be having a complete idiot attack. For some reason, I am getting a prevalent green outline/tint in many of my prints. This is new, and I am fairly positive that I am just doing something REALLY STUPID. If someone could help an old man out, I would appreciate it.





Posted By: Jim Poor

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 12/20/10 07:49 AM

The print preview looks like mayhaps the image should be converted to sRGB?
Posted By: James Morrissey

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 12/20/10 09:25 PM

Hey Jim,

The file is converted already to sRGB. I am wondering if I should have it set to Printer control or computer controls print profile? Also, is it relative colormetric or perceptual?

Thanks
James
Posted By: Jim Poor

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 12/20/10 09:36 PM

Honestly, problems like this and my inability to replicate the answer when something goes wrong is why I switched to outsourcing my prints.
Posted By: psmith

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 12/20/10 10:35 PM

Printer controls color?
Posted By: James Morrissey

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 12/20/10 11:35 PM

Hey Jim,

You are 100% correct, which is what I ultimately did. At the moment, I forgot a print and wanted to put it in and get the order completed.

James
Posted By: James Morrissey

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 12/21/10 07:18 PM

Hey Preston,

By "Printer Controls Color," I guess I am referring to the profiles that I am using. Yes?

James
Posted By: James Morrissey

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 12/22/10 05:06 AM

Nothing? I am getting desperate.

James
Posted By: daveman

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 12/22/10 01:49 PM

James,

I think what Preston was referring to is that you have the option selected in photoshop that the printer manages the colors - not photoshop. If this is is what you want, you have to make sure the printer is also set to manage the colors. If I read it correctly, your EPSON printer is set to NOT manage colors "no color management" - so it is expecting PS to do so.

So - Photoshop is expecting the printer to manage the colors, and the printer is expecting photoshop to manage the colors - and in the end neither is doing it. I think this is the problem.

Does that make sense?
Posted By: Jim Poor

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 12/22/10 02:19 PM

James,

The best of the best in self printing hang out at Naturescapes.net in the appropriate category there.

Sorry I can't be more help, but I've all but given up on DIY printing.
Posted By: psmith

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 12/22/10 03:57 PM

Quote:

James,

I think what Preston was referring to is that you have the option selected in photoshop that the printer manages the colors - not photoshop. If this is is what you want, you have to make sure the printer is also set to manage the colors. If I read it correctly, your EPSON printer is set to NOT manage colors "no color management" - so it is expecting PS to do so.

So - Photoshop is expecting the printer to manage the colors, and the printer is expecting photoshop to manage the colors - and in the end neither is doing it. I think this is the problem.

Does that make sense?




Exactly! (Sorry for the delay in getting back to this topic James.)
Posted By: James Morrissey

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 12/23/10 04:20 PM

Thanks. This is new and since I upgraded Photoshop. I guess I will try (sigh) DPReview. I have not been on Naturescapes in years and don't want to have to register a new account.

James
Posted By: psmith

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 12/23/10 07:55 PM

Did you fix the conflict in your dialog boxes?
Posted By: James Morrissey

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 12/24/10 12:08 AM

Hey Preston,

Yeah - I changed it to Photoshop to try it that way. I am still not happy with the results. I am looking around on forums but am not seeing anything truly helpful. Sigh. We will see what happens. I am heading out with T for the holiday, so we won't be back until Sunday.

James
Posted By: Lesley

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 01/02/11 09:23 PM

I have a question... if you are using your own printer, then why would you want to print your images in the small color space of sRGB? I have an Epson 7800 and when I use it I always use Adobe 1998 RGB color space, set in my printer and my file is of course the same. I don't print from Photosop either. I use a program called Qimage and get really nice results.
Posted By: James Morrissey

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 01/03/11 01:28 AM

Hi Lesley,

I only use my printer when I need a quick print, not for my general use. I don't think that the wear resistance is there to use it for stuff I am selling (unless I clear it with the client when we are in a bit of a rush). Most of my prints off of my old 2200 are for my own usage.

As to why I shoot sRGB? Because most commercial printers use sRGB as their color space (or something close to that). If I were doing all of my own printing in house, I would probably use ProPhoto as the color gamut is the best (I have always been curious why most cameras limit you to only sRGB and Adobe).

James
Posted By: Jim Poor

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 01/03/11 01:32 PM

My understanding is that most printers use sRGB anyway, so there is really no point in printing in any other color space.
Posted By: Lesley

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 01/04/11 01:45 PM

Well there is a reason, Jim. A larger color space will give more colors and detail than the smaller color space. sRGB is used by labs so most people are not even aware of the larger color spaces. I use my printer for fine art prints these days, but when I used them for my agility shots they were hands down better than lab prints... brighter, clearer, more detail than lab prints.

I understand now, James, why you wouldn't use RGB and yes commerical labs use the smaller color gamut. My printer uses pigment inks and are archival as well as the fine art paper I use. There is, though, a huge difference between sRBG and Adobe RGB and ProPhoto color space.
Posted By: Jim Poor

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 01/04/11 03:29 PM

I agree that there is a difference, however, I disagree that most consumer model printers (and even most pro models) are capable of rendering anything outside of the sRGB gamut.
Posted By: Jim Poor

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 01/04/11 05:41 PM

Well, it looks like I stand corrected. I gave up on self-printing so long ago, it appears that I'm behind the times.

I got this from another forum:

Quote:



Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:17 am
Jim,

Yes, Many of the current inkjets and especcially the new ones such as the Epson 7900/4900/etc are capable of beyond sRGB.

A review of the 4900 on Luminous-Landscape:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/review...ork.shtml<br />
Posted By: RomanJohnston

Re: Photoshop Printer Dialogue - Epson - 01/04/11 07:16 PM

LOL...just gave away my 2200 printer. Never use it. But here is a link to how I used to set my printer up. After I got it profiled it was spot on.

http://www.moosepeterson.com/docs/2200dialog.pdf

Roman
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