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Help with animal ID #21371
03/23/09 08:28 PM
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Ok, I shot this little critter at a local bird refuge. Looks a bit like my Marmots but smaller and with a more pronouced raised area on the bridge of the nose area. Oh and it was in a den in the ground about 10 yards off the water's edge. No rocks anywhere around which is where I normally find Marmots. I'm still thinking it's a marmot but I'm just not sure, anyone??







By comparision a definite Marmot:





This is an older Marmot shot but the best to illustrate my point. No bulge on top and a more pointed nose in my opinion.



It was a very good weekend end for me in terms of the small mammals. On top of both of the above animals I also got some really good shots of a female Ermine.

Last edited by jamesdak; 03/23/09 08:31 PM.
Re: Help with animal ID [Re: jamesdak] #21372
03/23/09 08:41 PM
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My GUESS is a younger Marmot.


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Questions & Comments Welcome
Re: Help with animal ID [Re: jamesdak] #21373
03/23/09 08:47 PM
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Is the coloring of your local marmots variable? Because the one you're asking about has very differet coloration than the 'actual' ones you've posted and the proportions/overall head shape and ear placement, from what I can make of the photos, are also different.

Could it be an immature/juvenile animal?

Very interested in knowing if it's a different species, subspecies or race.

(Really nice photos, btw!)


Cathy "I like photographs that look like paintings."
Re: Help with animal ID [Re: BIRDPOND] #21374
03/23/09 09:24 PM
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It's size though is about what I see with the Marmot youngsters around June, not march. I also don't normally see the Yellow-Bellied Marmots sit back on their haunches like this animal. They are normally belly to the ground unless peaking over a rock or cleaning themselves.

Here's a juvenile Marmot of about the same body size.


Re: Help with animal ID [Re: jamesdak] #21375
03/23/09 09:28 PM
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Hey, look at the noses also. The marmots appear to have hair around the top part while this animal's nose is hairless.

Re: Help with animal ID [Re: jamesdak] #21376
03/23/09 10:01 PM
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Where is the park? This looks kinda close -- but not really a match. It's a photo of a common woodchuck like we have in the east? -- here's a link to the page and photo

http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/resources/victor_loewen/marmota.jpg/view.html

The other marmot species don't quite match either, unless there's a lot of racial variation.

Is there a mammalian taxonomist in the house??


Cathy "I like photographs that look like paintings."
Re: Help with animal ID [Re: BIRDPOND] #21377
03/23/09 10:39 PM
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This was taken in Northern Utah. No woodchucks out here although this native Virginia country boy is quite familier with groundhogs. This animal was about 1/3 the size of a normal fat groundhog. I emailed the refuge with some pics and hopefully one the staff can help. I think they even have a few biologist working there.

Re: Help with animal ID [Re: jamesdak] #21378
03/24/09 05:14 PM
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Prairie Dog ??? (Black-tailed}

Jim

Here's a link to a photo taken at a zoo exhibit that looks similar.

http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2915126090030272744ThzRzl

Last edited by Tucson Jim; 03/24/09 05:24 PM.
Re: Help with animal ID [Re: Tucson Jim] #21379
04/05/09 02:10 AM
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Marmot or no marmot...these are some really candid and cute pictures there.

NICE!

Re: Help with animal ID [Re: myloismylife] #21380
04/12/09 12:01 AM
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Did we ever find out what your mystery mammal is??


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