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Re: People retouching - Before & After [Re: Jim Poor] #30461
08/12/10 03:16 PM
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I have no porblem with retouch! Retouch is need because there are scratches and chemical stains and dust can be appear on a pictures.
But I think that, to repaint a subject and make it 15-20 years yunger on a picture, or painting for him/her a smaller nose, whiter theet, smaller ears, or change anything which is otherwise permanent on an appearence, is to much.

This is my opinion.


I shoot on Fuji Velvia and Astia, with Nikon F6 and Pentax Z1p with Sigma zoom lenses.
Re: People retouching - Before & After [Re: Attila Kegyes] #30462
08/12/10 03:20 PM
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I had pretty much the same opinion when I was doing strictly nature photography. Portraiture is another world though.

Re: People retouching - Before & After [Re: Jim Poor] #30463
08/14/10 09:03 PM
08/14/10 09:03 PM
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Attila, you would sell very few portraits. I can tell you for a fact that no photo of me would be purchased, none the less seen unedited. It is always up to the person how they want to present what they do.

Women do not like to see wrinkles, eye bags, red eyes, or imperfections. If you don't make them look as they feel, you will feel it most in your pocketbook

Re: People retouching - Before & After [Re: Jim Poor] #30464
08/15/10 11:41 AM
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I like the #2 photo the best. Her hair is that nice vibrant color, and she looks natural. If it were me, I would go with #2, #3 is ok, but I don't like the circles under the eyes that did not show up in #2. #3 and 4, the skin tones are too light, I like the gold glow in the original and #2.

just my .02 cents!


Penny J. Wills
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Re: People retouching - Before & After [Re: Julie] #30465
08/16/10 01:01 PM
08/16/10 01:01 PM
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I said, if the retouch is just cover the temporary imperfectoins, that is fine! But makeing a teenager from a 40+ women is too much. I know that, women dont like wrinkles, eye bags, etc. but just because you make them dissapear on a picture, the woman still have them on her face! So the picture gonna lie!
These pictures not gonna be on a magazine cover! These picture gonna hang at home in a family room, where family members, and frends gonna see it. But frends and family members know, the women on a picture actually have wrinkles and eye bags! So the picture is lie, and became unnatural too!
I believe, you can sell more picture if, instead of retouch the wrinkles or eye bags, you find the way to show on your pictures the subject's real ego, and the real connections between the subject and his/her pet.
To this, you have to study more about portrait photography than Photoshop picture manipulations.
You have to observe your subject as soon as their step into your studio. You have to observe and study the subject personality, the mental connections between the pet and owner, etc. The portrait photography much more than technical picture making.
Myself, I would no pai for a picture which just shows me and my pet even it is technically the most perfect picture which shows me 20 years yunger! I want to see on a picture how I feel to my pet, how I love it, how close we are each other.
The technical perfections only a part of portrait photography.


I shoot on Fuji Velvia and Astia, with Nikon F6 and Pentax Z1p with Sigma zoom lenses.
Re: People retouching - Before & After [Re: Attila Kegyes] #30466
08/16/10 01:12 PM
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The thing is Attila, you aren't the one paying and the ones paying desire to look like how they FEEL. You can do a lot with lighting, and my portraits are all about relationships. Doesn't mean that it is necessary to leave in wrinkles and imperfections. I have done this enough to know that women will choose the one that has been more heavily "made up" than the ones that are more true.

Even my friend who went off about how wrong it was, then she saw an edited photo of her and that was the one she wanted.

It isn't photojournalism. It isn't nature photography. Its the same thing(but better) that portrait photographers used to do with vaseline on a filter.

You are man. You obviously do not think like a woman. I am a 40 year old woman and I can tell you, I do not feel like what my photos show. I would not put an unedited photo of me up, and I wouldn't do it to a client

Re: People retouching - Before & After [Re: Jim Garvie] #30467
09/06/10 10:33 PM
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I think the retouching works. You dont want to over do it. Its like make up. The goal is to apply it and not make it too noticeable. Only thing that pops out at me right way is all the empty space above her head.... but I am sure you will take care of that on the 8x10 crop, etc! =) Good work!


The Photo Box Photography
Re: People retouching - Before & After [Re: Jim Garvie] #30468
11/08/10 11:37 AM
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One thing I learned from a renowned portrait photographer is to be sure you have brought out the catch light in the eyes using your dodge tool and to use the burn tool to make a dark line around the outside of the iris... of course you need to use discretion. I know some folks use Mama's Powder action for complexions and I have seen it used an dlike it, but I really like Nik Color EFEX .. the complexion smoother.

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