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Throwing my head on the chopping block #10650
09/26/07 02:22 PM
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Was out scouting Elowah Falls for the upcoming Fall Foliage change in a few weeks...and was playing around in the early AM. Just getting my bearings straight so when I do have the time to get out there when the leaves change...I know just where I want to be instead of hunting for compositions when the time comes.

This isnt one of my chosen fall locations...as further down stream are the trees branches hanging over the stream and where the majority of the color will be coming from....but it was a new composition I wanted to try out.

But thought it would be fun to get some feedback as I am often one of the cretiquers....guess it is time for some payback...LOL!!!



Lemme Have it!!!

Re: Throwing my head on the chopping block [Re: RomanJohnston] #10651
09/26/07 02:46 PM
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My amateur critique, just for fun...
The comp draws my eye to both the mustard color in the center of the shot and the place where the bridge and waterfall might meet. Perhaps you could swing left and off-center the mustard moss?
Overall though I think it is a great picture.

Just my $.02. My shots don't turn out near that good.
Andrew

Re: Throwing my head on the chopping block [Re: RomanJohnston] #10652
09/26/07 06:50 PM
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Quote:

Was out scouting Elowah Falls for the upcoming Fall Foliage change in a few weeks...and was playing around in the early AM. Just getting my bearings straight so when I do have the time to get out there when the leaves change...I know just where I want to be instead of hunting for compositions when the time comes.

This isnt one of my chosen fall locations...as further down stream are the trees branches hanging over the stream and where the majority of the color will be coming from....but it was a new composition I wanted to try out.

But thought it would be fun to get some feedback as I am often one of the cretiquers....guess it is time for some payback...LOL!!!





Roman,

You do love those waterfalls. Of course if I had as many great waterfalls near me, I would be out shooting them too. Before I give some of the standard feedback, I have to say that I have a real problem with this image primarily because of what I think is a very ugly bridge. To my eye, this beautiful natural scene is completely ruined by that man made monstosity. If it was me I would have done everything I could of to pick a persepective that hid the bridge (probably not possible I know). As a last resort I would have probably cloned it out. I can see where you were going with the intersection of the leading lines of bridge and water stream, but my eyes just get drawn to the you know what.

Composition/use of frame space: Very good although I'm not sure what I was supposed to be anchoring on. There are the foreground rocks, the yellow lichen and of course the bridge.

Colors/White Balance: Excellent of course

Exposure: It's dark but I expect a secluded spot to be like this so I'm sure it's spot on.

Creative use of Aperture/Shutter: This called for maximum DOF so I'm sure you stopped down accordingly. The slow shutter speed to give the water a motion blur is very nice.

Perspective: As I have said this is my problem.

Creativity: While I'm sure that you walked all over the place looking for the perfect location, there probably really wasn't a whole lot of room to get creative here.

Emotion: The emotion I want to get as I do with most of your work is a serene feeling for the natural beauty of the scene. 90% of the scene evoked that emotion but 10% of it neutralized it for me.

Forethought/Visualization: This one I never feel qualified to comment on since you never know what the person is thinking and whether the shot was planned or just happened (I do know that you plan most of yours very carefully)

Post processing: Knowing how difficult the lighting can be in these natural places, I'm sure this image required it. As usual, the quality of the image is excellent and something I can only strive for in my images.

Sorry about harping on the "b" word here.

Re: Throwing my head on the chopping block [Re: RomanJohnston] #10653
09/26/07 09:20 PM
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Roman,

My opinion of this image is that technically it is superb and is of the caliber that you produce regularly. On the other hand - creatively/aesthetically - I think it's lacking. Specifically it seems too busy - too many things to be looking at and not one dominant subject to center the image on. I would think that you could make the bridge the main subject with the waterfall as a secondary subject. And other than the large yellow-greenish spot of (moss/lichens?) I'm not overly crazy about the rest of the rocks. So maybe a different angle, if possible, on this scene would help?


Joe
Re: Throwing my head on the chopping block [Re: glamson] #10654
09/27/07 12:11 AM
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Glamson...thanks for the feedback. Me I am ok with the bridge. But I can totally see what your saying. Combined with the other response I have a diffrent shot that really minimizes the bridge, still shows the falls and uses the rocks to frame both the bridge AND the falls .



Roman

Re: Throwing my head on the chopping block [Re: RomanJohnston] #10655
09/27/07 12:29 AM
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Roman,

This really works so much better for me. I really get anchored on the big moss covered rocks and the bridge seems to blend into this composition. I also like the way the green foliage on the right side frames the water stream. The colors are to die for. I love this one.

Thanks for posting this one too. Sorry to be a bit of a PITA.

George

Re: Throwing my head on the chopping block [Re: glamson] #10656
09/27/07 01:29 AM
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Roman,

I always love looking at your work and this one is no execption. I also like the second post better than the first one.

In the first post, while I like the bridge, for lack of a better term I do not think there is enough depth. It may be that there is no distinction between the foreground, midground and background. This then makes all the detail a bit busy. Nothing really draws me into the picture. There also is what looks like lens distortion on the top of the shot - the trees on the left and the rocks on the right seem to slant inward and seems a little odd.

The composition of the second posting really makes me wish I had that kind of scenery around here (but then it would not be a desert, now would it??). The composition draws me into the shot - up to the bridge and the waterfall and back. This perspective also provides a greater sense of scale - which I really like.

The colors, WB and PP of course are fantastic.

Thanks for posting.

Dave

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Re: Throwing my head on the chopping block [Re: RomanJohnston] #10657
09/27/07 11:45 AM
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Roman, I am terrible on critiques, But I know what I like,, I think the first one is way too busy,, Love the second one though, I think that the bridge sticks out as the focal point of the first one, Have not been to this waterfall, I want to come up and shoot some more on the Columbia, DAve

Re: Throwing my head on the chopping block [Re: dave_lines] #10658
09/28/07 08:13 AM
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Roman, youre very good at photographing large, tall landscapes. And, as you know, your PS skills are outstanding!

I believe the first shot suffers from either distortion, or the wrong angle. It makes me feel uneasy about going or seeing that place. The second shot I would prefer it cropped much higher, like above the rocks. I think that while they anchor the corners, there is enough going on in the foreground to distract from the subtleness of the bridge and the falls. I'd stick to the bridge and the falls as the power of shot. . .

It's a tough place to photograph well!

get a sherpa to carry in for you a tree stand, or a scafold. . .

Take care, love your stuff no matter what my comments sound like! Remember I'm being picky and oppinionated. . .

Re: Throwing my head on the chopping block [Re: Tony Bynum] #10659
09/28/07 03:49 PM
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Roman,
Part of the process of photography is to invoke emotion. The first shot works because of the emotion it evoked into the reviewers. It made Tony feel uneasy going or seeing that place. The first photo gives the feeling of uneasiness or foreboding and if that was your intention, then that shot is a success. The second shot is a "safer" photo.

They both are great for different reasons. Keep up the good work.


David Ramey Photography
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