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Re: Expectations
[Re: Julie]
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01/27/08 01:44 PM
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Dee Dee
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I hear you too. Sometimes I feel like I haven't learned a thing when I have a bad shoot. I had 2 I was disappointed in this week. I had to go look at some previous shoots keep from giving all my gear away! It's the same with art, I think the better we get, the higher we raise the bar and what used to blow our own socks off, now looks disappointingly mediocre. I remember at major art shows I'd visit long ago I'd be jaw droppingly amazed at some of the top art there. I would stand for hours in front of gorgeous paintings and study them, I couldn't imagine how they did that. Now I see the same art and I don't give it a second look. Sort of sad in a way that it takes more and more to get that buzz of excitement...I suppose one day nothing will generate that level of awe inspiring inspiration. But it's also a chart of our own growth. Moral is...you've just gotten too darn good Jim!!! 
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Re: Expectations
[Re: Visceral Image]
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01/27/08 07:25 PM
01/27/08 07:25 PM
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Jim Garvie
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John, a "stacked" shot is a shot of a dog that has been set up by its handler according to the Breed Standard to show off the dog's basic structure. Here is an example of a stacked shot.  Note that the dog (in this case Rowdy) is set up with his rear hocks perpendicular to the ground, his front legs directly under his shoulders and his topline level. That's how they're supposed to look  . A moving shot is usually a candid shot taken in the ring (sometimes out of the ring) that demonstrates how a dog trots when it is moved during showing. The objective is to capture the dog fully-articulated with one front leg and one rear leg fully extended and the opposite legs fully contracted under the dog. Here's a sample of a moving shot.  In order to capture a dog that is fully-articulated, they have to move properly and be structurally balanced front and rear. That's why judges move the dogs. Some dogs look great stacked but don't move well. Some dogs don't look great stacked out but move like water flows -- effortlessly. The great dogs are the ones that look great both standing still and moving. Hope that answers your question. Jim
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Re: Expectations
[Re: Jim Garvie]
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01/27/08 10:23 PM
01/27/08 10:23 PM
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Peggy Sue
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Recently I heard a phrase that has become my mantra lately. "Art without intention" Now I have had various opinions regarding this phrase, but for me it is allowing me to try and create for the love of it. Not for a client, a show, or any particular reason in mind but just for arts sake. It has been helping when I get in one of those through out everything moods. I have seen brilliant images made with pin hole cameras and poor work made with the best equipment. So I do know that the majority of "good" work is with the mind and eye. But when we have a client to please or a show to jury for, we are not being true to ourselves. Jim, I find that shooting dog shows is similar to the commercial work I have done too. Both the clients in those fields require a specific need that has very little room for creativity and change. Quality of the image is upmost and it seems you also give them the best regarding that. In a PPA program I will never forget, the speaker talked about making the experience the most important when it comes to creating the images. Being nice also provides that good experience and that is very important. Because if a real jerk photographed your dog, and you disliked the whole experience, I do not care how wonderful the images were, they would not like them as much as they would if they had a good experience. I feel the same with us when we are creating. Sometimes outside forces just do not line up to make the shoot brilliant in our eyes. But I would bet the clients are happy if you provided your best for that time. So today for my own art without intent, I went to a Adopt a Husky demonstration and shot what I wanted to shoot. I had a great day and know that I am now thinking about becoming a foster mom. We will see how my intent works with the my spouse! 
Peggy Sue
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Re: Expectations
[Re: Peggy Sue]
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01/28/08 08:47 AM
01/28/08 08:47 AM
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Julie
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I do not solicit for dog shows. 1) I don't have the time to be gone for them 2) I don't know all the breeds well enough to do a proper job.
I do know whippets because I have whippets. I know what the whippet people want to see. I know how a whippet should be stacked and exactly what the gait should look like.
Pet photography is a whole nother can of worms. You really have to know what the client is looking for. Do they want the collar on or off? Do they want "cute" photos or artistic ones? I have found pet people somewhat easier, and yet, harder. The show dogs are better behaved, but the clients are MUCH more picky. The pet dogs are wild and usually(not always) out of control and you better know how to channel that and still get the shot.
With wildlife, you wait and it will eventually come(if you are lucky) You just have to be patient and aware. With pets, you must be in control, direct, be patient, not get rattled, not let the people rattle you. You have to know how to get the cute expression, and shoot fast!
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