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Taking the plunge... #23236
06/03/09 03:37 PM
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OK, so after lurking here for a while, I'm taking the plunge and asking for some advice on my photos. I really enjoy pet photography, but I feel that there is so much room for improvement that I need as much help as I can get. I have no intention of doing anything commertial, I just enjoy it and want to get (much!) better. I am fairly new to photography as a whole and would really appreciate any feedback from the people on this forum, who's work I really admire. I am also new to reducing images for the web (but still maintaining some of the original quality), so any help there would also be greatly appreciated!
Inside shot of Staffie and BC.

A fairly rough and ready attempt at a "studio" type set up using two off camera flashes. I later learnt (here!) that the normal bulb I was using to assist focusing was creating the color cast and the lighting (shadows) was all wrong.
Outside shot of 3 BCs

My own problems here are the leg and tail hanging off the seat that spoils the composition, as well as the grass in the one dogs tail (I could clone out, but my PS skills are shaky at best.)
Sorry for such a long first post. Please don't worry about being polite - I really need to see where I am going wrong!


Sam
Re: Taking the plunge... [Re: Sam Wise] #23237
06/03/09 03:43 PM
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Welcome Sam. Your first image is wonderful. Such expression with a great story included. It seems a bit magenta to me but the composition wins.
I am not as bothered by the tail as I am the foot. If you don't mind I will play around with a crop idea that might solve the tail/paw/grass issue.


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Re: Taking the plunge... [Re: Sam Wise] #23238
06/04/09 07:58 AM
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Sam,
both images are very nice. In the second, which I love, I'd "simply" clone out the stuff you don't like. Nothing like doing things in PS to get better at it and cloning is the "essential tool" for photographers.

You have a good eye. I look forward to seeing more of your work.

Jim


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Re: Taking the plunge... [Re: Sam Wise] #23239
06/04/09 11:25 AM
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Quote:

OK, so after lurking here for a while, I'm taking the plunge and asking for some advice on my photos. I really enjoy pet photography, but I feel that there is so much room for improvement that I need as much help as I can get. I have no intention of doing anything commertial, I just enjoy it and want to get (much!) better. I am fairly new to photography as a whole and would really appreciate any feedback from the people on this forum, who's work I really admire. I am also new to reducing images for the web (but still maintaining some of the original quality), so any help there would also be greatly appreciated!
Inside shot of Staffie and BC.

A fairly rough and ready attempt at a "studio" type set up using two off camera flashes. I later learnt (here!) that the normal bulb I was using to assist focusing was creating the color cast and the lighting (shadows) was all wrong.




Sam,

Certainly a very nice first posting.

Here are my suggestions for improvement. As you pointed out, there is a problem with the lighting for the first "studio" image. If you hadn't said you were using two flashes, I would have thought this was a single flash set up. The light is pretty harsh from one side and the second flash isn't really filling the dark areas. Shooting black animals is always a challenge (you can read a couple of posts here about that subject). For dark animals you really need to balance the light across the subject and a little diffusion can help. I would recommend experimenting with moving your lights around to get the effect you want. I would also recommend a couple of small umbrellas. All is not lost even though the set up wasn't optimal. I think you will find that producing good images is dependent on good camera work and also good post processing. If you really want to get the images you want, you are going to have to jump in and improve your post processing skills. The suboptimal lighting in this image can be corrected with a little work in post process. I also think that the crop you went with gives me a little unbalanced feeling with the leg protruding out of frame. I went with a tighter crop on the right. Here is a example in which I tried to bring up more shadow detail. I also made sure there was enough detail in both eyes of the pooch on the left.



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Outside shot of 3 BCs
My own problems here are the leg and tail hanging off the seat that spoils the composition, as well as the grass in the one dogs tail (I could clone out, but my PS skills are shaky at best.)
Sorry for such a long first post. Please don't worry about being polite - I really need to see where I am going wrong!




Nothing wrong with the composition on this one. Great looking dogs. I agree that the foot is a problem. The solution goes back to the fact that good post processing skills can save the day. This is really a trivial cloning excercise. The art of cloning is just a trial and error process which I think is well worth the effort in learning. Here is the "cleaned up" image:


Re: Taking the plunge... [Re: Sam Wise] #23240
06/05/09 03:13 AM
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Wow, many thanks for the encouragement and advice, the time and effort is really appreciated.
Peggysue, please do feel free to make any changes to the photo you feel would improve the composition, I would really like to see how someone with much more experience is able to solve the problems that have stumped me.
Jimgarvie, I will work on my PS skills, particularly the cloning, I guess it will be plenty of trial and error!
Glamson, many thanks for the tips, I will try this “studio” setup again and put your advice into action. The changes you have made have improved the image substantially, it is great to see so much more detail brought out of the areas previously in shadow. Can I ask you what you did here? It seems to be mainly just the one area that has been affected by the changes, did you use the dodge tool here, or did you create a selection and apply changes to the selection as a whole (I’m sorry if these are very basic questions I should know the answers to before posting images here!)
Many thanks once again.

Re: Taking the plunge... [Re: Sam Wise] #23241
06/05/09 10:47 PM
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Sam, this version of your image may get a hit for many reasons. There is a saying that it takes two people to paint a watercolor painting, one to paint it and one to shot them before you over work it.

The same thing may be said about photoshop. But in my defense, the reason I really love this image is the triangle design of the three dogs. Being Borders, this may not happen very often as moving so quickly is their rule. So, what I tried to do is show off what I really love about the image and play down what bothered me. The dogs expressions are not altered and that for me is what is primary for me when it comes to photographing any living critter.

Thanks for letting me play with this images. Are the Border Collies yours?




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Re: Taking the plunge... [Re: Peggy Sue] #23242
06/06/09 08:59 AM
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I actually like the buggy seat in the original. I think it adds an old world feel to it. I textured it, with that thought


Re: Taking the plunge... [Re: Sam Wise] #23243
06/06/09 09:32 AM
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Personally I think this is really fun to see how others handle an image. It goes to show there is no right way to do anything in PS as there are many avenues to get your image to where YOU like it.

This is a very helpful group and I am sure you will learn from all the opinions.

I myself like most of the Scott Kelby PS books and if I need to dive into one of them I do not fall asleep with his writing!


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Re: Taking the plunge... [Re: Peggy Sue] #23244
06/06/09 09:43 AM
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You can see that you can be where all ideas are shared, and yet, everyone will take their own direction. I have told people that even if I tell them step by step how I do things, their images will never be the same as mine. Not because I have some secret, but, they will always add their take to it.

We all have our own ideas and own visions.

Re: Taking the plunge... [Re: Julie] #23245
06/09/09 04:01 AM
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It is great to see other people’s ideas, and to see how an image can be so well manipulated to create such different "feels", many thanks to everyone for their valuable input.
Peggysue, I really like the way you have focused the image on the dogs themselves and it is interesting how removing other, potentially distracting, elements makes it much more of a portrait. (The collies are mine - meet Gryphon, Shep and Wisp. There are not many pets in my area, so they will have to be my main subjects for now!)
Julie, I really like this textured, aged look, it is very effective, and yas you say, enhances the atmosphere. I have a long way to go before I am even going to attempt this, but did you create the texture yourself?


Sam
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