Two hypothetical questions:

1. Your customer owns a grooming clinic or pet store...uses your images on his mobile van or a billboard...are you still happy with the show print purchase?

2. Your customer makes gourmet doggie biscuits...uses your images for 100,000 package labels...same question.

I'm not trying to tick you off, I'm just wondering where people draw the line...seriously...it happens to all of us.

Funny, I just had another client email a photo to a friend. That friend just happens to sell dog food and teach seminars.

She want's to use the photo to advertise an upcoming seminar. At least they had the decency to ask first, but the request was accompanied by

"[insert well known photographer name] gave her permission to use a photo of [XYZ] on her cat supplement label, and it would be another good way to get your name out there. . . would you allow her to do so with the proper photo credit?"

I'm sure my client is genuinely trying to help me get some name recognition, but photo credits don't pay the bills.

I actually sorta caved since it's a crazy ISO 6400 photo that I didn't really think was worth more than a memory for the owner. I did ask for copies of the printed materials for tear sheets since I'm in the middle of an NPS application.

Ugh, I'm too soft.

Unfortunately, due to the recession my mortgage company stopped allowing photo credits for payments to them. Therefore, I no longer can allow photo credits for payment to me

Seriously, there is a point you give in, and a point you don't. A purchased 8x10 of a win photo, you almost HAVE to give in as it is customary for show people to do this. This is why they want the photos to begin with

For COMMERCIAL advertising, well, that is a new thing. No, I would not allow my photo "with credit" to be used as a commercial advertising product. That was not the usage she purchased. Give a price that will make you happy for the use, along with the credit. That photo will bring you no business, no recognition, nothing

I had a breeder in Maine feel he was being so generous giving me "photo credit" using a photo of mine. He was furious when I said no. What good would a breeder in ME(not my breed or even close) having my photos on his site do me?

This is a business, not a charity and not a means for my ego to be stroked by seeing my photos on things. I have bills to pay.

I only wish I was well off enough that I could say yes to such things.

Oh your come backs are getting better and better. Unfortunately I am on the side of Jim Poor (too soft) but want Julie and Preston to be behind me like the ads for phone support. I need little figures of you two on my shoulders to talk in my ears when asked these ridiculous questions.

Next time I need to go to a doctor I think I will ask him if he will work for credit on my website.

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Two hypothetical questions:

1. Your customer owns a grooming clinic or pet store...uses your images on his mobile van or a billboard...are you still happy with the show print purchase?

2. Your customer makes gourmet doggie biscuits...uses your images for 100,000 package labels...same question.

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Preston,
1. no.

2. no.

And, yes, you have to draw the line somewhere. For me, it's the whole personal vs commercial application. Although I've chased the "personal" when it's become commercial as in the promotion of a dog for stud services.

My commercial rates and my personal rates are entirely different. If someone wants to use one of my images for a commercial application, they'll pay for it appropriately and if they use it without my express, written permission, they will pay severe penalties. We use photos all the time in our advertising business and we pay for every single one.

My original point was that the individual, who is in the same publishing business that we are, didn't know she was violating my copyright by using that image in advertising. And I'm willing to bet that 90% of the win photos used in Dog News ads do NOT have the release of the photographer for that purpose. Most show photographers don't care. Once they've gotten their print payment, they know exhibitors are going to scan the prints and use them in ads. It's a given.

I guess I just have higher expectations from people who should know better and publishers/editors should definitely know better.

Jim

I need to hire a "heavy" so I can just stay behind the camera!

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Oh your come backs are getting better and better. Unfortunately I am on the side of Jim Poor (too soft) but want Julie and Preston to be behind me like the ads for phone support. I need little figures of you two on my shoulders to talk in my ears when asked these ridiculous questions.

Next time I need to go to a doctor I think I will ask him if he will work for credit on my website.

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