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Re: My portable "Dog Show" setup ...
[Re: Dee Dee]
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05/01/06 07:53 AM
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The posing table (really a grooming table with the leash holder removed!) is used when the client wishes to be photographed with their dog, usually in some 'confirmation' pose. That's kinda the dog-show convention (which I've messed up locally, I'm happy to say!) but I'd rather do the more isolated shots. I roll down the paper onto the floor for those shots, and roll it up so that folks aren't standing on it otherwise. Puppies do tend to 'mark' the paper ... I just cut it off as needed. Look for a local pro store that sells Superior papers ... if they buy them in bulk, you can take a roll home for less than $40. If they buy them in "onesies" you'll pay more, because of the shipping on those heavy tubes! But Superior is my favorite brand. You can make a stand, or buy a portable one; I bought one, and actually cut my paper to a more appropriate width for the shows. (You can buy paper in 53, 106, 120, and 144 inch width ... sometimes the really wide stuff is limited in color selection.) I use cheap imported wireless strobe triggers, purchased on eBay for under $50 new! I have also used a pair of Vivitar 285HV flashes, with plastic diffusers, for this kind of work. Strobes are better, but use what you have! You could use a couple of Alien Bees (with umbrellas), a simple paper stand, a wireless trigger, a roll of seamless, and a simple table with a skirt (under $1K for all!) and you'd be good to go. Ken
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Re: My portable "Dog Show" setup ...
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05/03/06 03:30 PM
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I keep coming in here and studying this Ken LOL...
What are the differences (as far as the photo goes)between using umbrellas vs soft boxes?
What do you think of this deal, does it have everything I would need for a set up (not counting the backdrop of course)?
http://www.alienbees.com/intergalactic.html
Also would it be possible to use a white 10' x 10' EZ Up type of canopy with sides, as a portable studio to set this all up in?
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Re: My portable "Dog Show" setup ...
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05/03/06 06:54 PM
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I like Alien Bees and White Lightning Strobes, I don't like their light stands (cheap). I used to use Bogen Light Stands but when I bought a portable background stand (morris) I fell in love with their stands. So now I use Morris stands, Morris background holder, White Lightning Strobes, Wescott Umbrellas (never use umbrellas outside unless you like the idea of the wind blowing over your light stands). I use muslin backgrounds because they can be washed after the dogs get mud, hair, etc. all over them.
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Umbrellas vs. Soft Boxes ...
[Re: Dee Dee]
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05/04/06 07:08 AM
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Generally, the light is softer and less directional (sounds funny, since you can 'aim' them) from a soft box than from a white umbrella ... like diffused light coming in a window. Great for people, in many cases, but for pet fur to stand out you can't have too soft of light. I've even used silver 'brollies' but they tend to sharpen the shadows a bit too much for me. You can make anything work just fine ... so start with either what you have, or the cheapest setup if you're just buying stuff. You can always use what you buy for something!
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Re: Umbrellas vs. Soft Boxes ...
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05/06/06 12:32 AM
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Thanks David and Kenny. Much to think about! I will do a lot of homework which will give me time to do more painting to pay it!  I see you both use umbrellas mainly? Yes I would rather have the hair real sharp and detailed than too soft, you can always soften in photoshop but not vice versa. Too sharp wouldn't be good either so sounds like white umbrellas rather than silver? And if you had three lights, would you use 2 umbrellas or 3? Really hard to find answers to this stuff in books as the books are outdated quickly and they cover so many scenarios I'm never sure which one is mine! So for doing pets the way I want, if I understand right it would be best to use strobes over hot lights, white umbrellas over soft boxes, three lights minimal, possibly washable cloth backgrounds over paper for wilder pets, cordless if possible...so that would mean what a pocket wizard and ?? Am I starting to get a handle on it a bit?  I'm also thinking it may not be feasible to use a 10 x 10 EZ Up tent for a small portable studio...? Not quite enough room?
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My humble opinion ...
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05/08/06 01:24 PM
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I don't often need three lights for pets; sometimes, when I want to shoot a white dog on white paper, I'll blow the background with a third light. Otherwise, two will do. Also, I tried cloth backdrops; I like them, but they have a HUGE disadvantage: a pet WILL soil them, and they are then unusable until washed. (Yeah, you CAN use them, but the next client sniffs that darned spot and won't pose!!) Start out cheap; get on eBay and buy a wireless flash trigger for $35 ... well worth the money, and you won't have to worry about someone tripping over your wires!
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