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My second day of shots... Dobie puppy #4749
08/15/06 03:00 PM
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Obviously, I need more work on light placement


Re: My second day of shots... Dobie puppy [Re: Julie] #4750
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Awesome Julie. I think if you got it this good by the third try, only good things are to come. That is one cute puppy or two. The second shot in you second set is great, the little bald dog.


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Re: My second day of shots... Dobie puppy [Re: Julie] #4751
08/15/06 04:57 PM
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Obviously, I need more work on light placement




Not much more work though, they do look good, and it can't be "easy" - I was at a short tutorial on lighting this week, they said 'high key' should show no visible shadows at all, and okay to be very slightly over-exposed. And suggested top end fashion magazines to see good recent examples. I've looked at the web and can't see any precise information (except general forum-type opinion) - there are some portrait photography books advertised with high-key chapters so will look at those when I can.

The puppy is lovely, have to admit though I cried when I first saw what they've done to his ears, I really had to get past that to look at the lighting.

Re: My second day of shots... Dobie puppy [Re: PossumCorner] #4752
08/15/06 05:09 PM
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Definitely want to be on the edge of high key. I just love a white backdrop as it is so clean

This puppy is a show puppy and to be competive in the US, they are clipped. You *can* show with natural ears but finishing is extremely difficult.

My friend with Danes won't crop the pet puppies ears, but does crop the show puppies ears.

Re: My second day of shots... Dobie puppy [Re: Julie] #4753
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...but does crop the show puppies ears.



Wasn't having a go at your friends - ear cropping was banned in Australia about 20-30 years ago so we just don't see it, even in the show ring. Last year tail-docking was also banned in most States. The breeders are screaming blue murder that it will be the end of civilisation to have to exhibit a long-tailed dobe or rottie. They'll just have to get their heads around it. The debate has been savage, it got very political. Already the young long-tails are appearing in the Ring, it's actually a good look once you get used to it. Photographically, it makes square format difficult: I liked square format rottie shots.

Re: My second day of shots... Dobie puppy [Re: PossumCorner] #4754
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I don't disagree with you and my friend will tell you that it is cosmetic and isn't pleasant. Which is why the pet puppies do not have it done

The dogs do not suffer much after the first day with the ears though. It is more a pain for the people than the dogs. Well, I don't think the dogs enjoy the taping either

I have whippets and mutts. So, the worst I am going to do is shave the husky mutt to reduce shedding. I have been threatening that for many years and haven't done it yet. Though I still may!

Re: My second day of shots... Dobie puppy [Re: Julie] #4755
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Here is a guy who has put together a load of short tutorials on classic portrait photography. He is shooting people, but the setups are similar.

Flash setups


Thanks, Jeff
Re: My second day of shots... Dobie puppy [Re: Julie] #4756
08/16/06 08:20 AM
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Julie,
my favorite is when they use dixie cups to hold up the taped ears! Great TV reception I hear : )

These are very nice. Using a high key background makes things more difficult than they need to be but that's an artistic choice. I always use mottled backgrounds because the shadows disappear -- especially in high-volume work where I don't have the time to be cloning out shadows on every frame.

Are the umbrellas white or silver? I find that silver reflectors really snap up black dogs (and as an owner of Rotties, I really understand black dogs). I use the white umbrellas for people because they create softer highlights and shadows.

Keep practicing! Nice Dobe puppy, by the way.

Jim


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Re: My second day of shots... Dobie puppy [Re: PossumCorner] #4757
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as someone who breeds and exhibits Rotties I have to respectfully disagree with you on this point. The docking of Rottie tails was always functional based on the jobs they were bred to do. That's why it was part of the breed standard in every country all over the world.

Several years ago, the animal rights groups lobbied to get Germany to change their standard and the rest of the European countries pretty much followed suit.

Here in the states, we maintain the "original" standard: tails docked short, close to the body, within one or two vertebrae.

I'm not going to comment on the "global" correctness of cropping or docking. Or on far more important issues such as global warming. I will simply say that in the US, the AKC Rottweiler Standard calls for dogs to be exhibited docked.

Having docked 17 puppies over the past 10 years I can tell you that it leaves no long-term trauma. In fact, done at 3 days, it has no impact on the pups after 24 hours.

Jim


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Re: My second day of shots... Dobie puppy [Re: Jim Garvie] #4758
08/16/06 09:10 AM
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Hi Jim, you're not disagreeing with me: my point was that the decision here in Australia is a done deal: it can't be reversed so the breeders have to live with it (and the Standards of course now have to allow tails). As in Europe it was the animal rights lobby that got it going for all the wrong reasons and without knowing the implications to some breeds (or caring). The argument here before the legislation scraped through was vitriolic: the Kennel Clubs were their own worst enemy as they resorted to silly libelous behaviour and lost a lot of cred. But yes it was more about politics and power games than dogs' tails for sure.

Global warming is another given eh! We mightn't like it but we've sure got it.

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