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Tilt/Shift and the fake miniature look? #28941
04/01/10 10:59 AM
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Anyone know much about it?

Pluses and minuses of creating the look with a tilt-shift lens as opposed to through post processing other than the price of the lens of course?

I've been stricken with curiosity.

Re: Tilt/Shift and the fake miniature look? [Re: Jim Poor] #28942
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To me the post processing often looks fake, and I'm not sure it would hold up to big prints. I've shot food and architecture with view cameras and find them to offer the greatest flexibility in whatever look you are wanting to accomplish. They just have more movement than you'll ever get with even with a 35mm tilt/shift. And the viewfinder is way better for getting it right.

Re: Tilt/Shift and the fake miniature look? [Re: psmith] #28943
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Quote:

I've shot food and architecture with view cameras and find them to offer the greatest flexibility in whatever look you are wanting to accomplish.




Uh huh. And when was the last time you shot with an 8X10 or 5X7 view camera? Yes, they have incredible flexibility and offer unparalleled image manipulation on the front end which is why they were so great as studio cameras. And I agree that everything I've seen out of the 35mm T&S lenses looks somehow unreal. Unless I were shooting food in the studio, I don't see the advantages.

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Re: Tilt/Shift and the fake miniature look? [Re: Jim Garvie] #28944
04/01/10 08:32 PM
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Thanks guys. Actually, the "unreal" look is exactly what interests me. Making cars look like models and people look like figurines.

I've managed to find a T/S lens to borrow so I'll be able to do some experimenting with in camera as well as post processing methods.

Re: Tilt/Shift and the fake miniature look? [Re: Jim Poor] #28945
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Than maybe get a lensbaby

Re: Tilt/Shift and the fake miniature look? [Re: Jim Garvie] #28946
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Quote:

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I've shot food and architecture with view cameras and find them to offer the greatest flexibility in whatever look you are wanting to accomplish.




Uh huh. And when was the last time you shot with an 8X10 or 5X7 view camera? Yes, they have incredible flexibility and offer unparalleled image manipulation on the front end which is why they were so great as studio cameras. And I agree that everything I've seen out of the 35mm T&S lenses looks somehow unreal. Unless I were shooting food in the studio, I don't see the advantages.

Jim




Well, I guess that is the point. A view camera and digital back is what can get you the $30K a week gigs. In a studio. Thats not where I'm playing right now. But to answer Jim's question, I'll stick with my answer.

Re: Tilt/Shift and the fake miniature look? [Re: psmith] #28947
04/02/10 08:13 AM
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A view camera and digital back is what can get you the $30K a week gigs. In a studio.




You'd need those gigs to pay for the equipment but you're right, that's where the catalog guys get their payback for having the right equipment.

As for Jim's question, if unreal compression of an image is your objective, can't you just do it in PS? I know the T&S lenses would give you some movement but I'm not sure it would be enough -- as Preston says. There must be a plug-in out there for this sort of thing.

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Re: Tilt/Shift and the fake miniature look? [Re: Jim Garvie] #28948
04/02/10 08:17 AM
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I've looked at a few tutorials on how to replicate the look. I'll see if I can find some actions as well.

I can't see $1600 on a lens just for what I have in mind, so I'll stick with borrowing and PS for now.

I've got a couple orders to get through today and then I'm going to have a play day so who knows what I'll come up with.

Re: Tilt/Shift and the fake miniature look? [Re: Jim Garvie] #28949
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There must be a plug-in out there for this sort of thing.

Jim




Well, there is the photoshop Transform stuff to correct distortion and perspective and the On One Focal Point plug in for selective focus.

Fake mini samples [Re: psmith] #28950
04/02/10 10:26 AM
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I need better images to start from. I think a wider angle showing more obstacles would work best. It isn't often that I can shoot from up high like this though.







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