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You couldn’t post them here if they were not from a computer. Does that make them non photographs?



This is a usual but not too smart respond from digital photographers.
Just because the picture was scanned and transfer into a digital existence, it is not mean the computer did replace all the skill what needed to capture the photograph!
I never said the digital picture is not a photograph! I said it is depend how much and what kind of manipulation was made on a picture! I will not look up to some one who make me believe he/her got al the skill but actually use a computer to help to make it looks like he/she got it.

if I say: "I cross the ocean" it is a big deal? I did achive something, what can make me a somebody? Yes and no! It is depend, How I cross the ocean! If I cross it by plane just buy a ticket and flew over it is not a big deal, thousend of people do it every day! If I cross the ocean with my big luxury yacht it is a little bit bigger deal, but still easy, and I'm not became a hedline because of it!
If I cross the ocean with a little sailing boat sailing alone, I became a hedline, because I achive something extraordinary! Whatever how you cross the ocean you actually did nothing more just get from point A to point B! What is the result is not count as much as how you achive that! And people have a basic idea about photography They knows it is not easy, that's why, they are respect the photographer. If they are would know How easy it was, the respection would drop a lot! That is the reason why photographers want to call their manipulated pictures as photographs! Because they don't want to reveald their job was actually very easy, they want the people believe taking the photo needed a skill and it was a human achivement.

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I would argue that a scanner is just a lens capturing the light fed by the scanner. I know it’s a bit of a leap, but it does involve light and a lens to capture it with.



Just because both a car and the airplane use a gasoline and both have wheels and windows and doors, I wouldn't call them same, I wouldnt say it need the same skill to drive them!
A scanner is a scanner not a camera! Actualy even officialy the art made by scanners called scannography not photography, so there is nothing to arguing over here! It is NOT a photography!


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Is not Ansel’s adjustment after the capture the same as what you call cheating in Photoshop?



No it is not! It is not, because the pull processing is not needed because he make mistakes during ligth measuring and exposure set up! It is a technique what have to make this way because the nature of the emulsion on the film! If you not overexposed the negative, may be not enough lights hit the film over the shadow area. If not, the light sensitive materials not remain on the surface of the film! So if it is neccesary, you have to overexpose the film! But this is not accidental over exposition! If you made a mistake, you can't correct it ona film or on a slide! Only on a print. So the pull or even a push processing is not a cheating! If you make mistake and you fix it but still make the people believe you didn't make any mistake that is cheating.


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Just because we have a sensor instead of a chemical capturing the light doesn’t make it NOT photography



I agree with that! I never said taking pictures with digital camera is not photography! I said if the picture was manipulated in a computer, which actualy replace the skill, that is cheating, that is not photography! That is photo based computer graphic.


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I don’t edit things into my shots, nor do I clone things out. If there is garbage ruining my shot, I pick it up and pack it out with me. If telephone lines are in my way, I pick a new composition.

About the only editing I do that changes something is often on wide angle shots. If it has the moon in it, I take a separate shot of the moon with a longer lens. I also take note of something in the shot to give me a reference of what the moons true size is and when I add the moon back, to the picture, it is at the same size my eye saw it. I also disclose this editing on my posts so no one is confused.



Actually this is exactly I fighting for! Not make the viewers confused, not lie to them!

May be you are do the right thing but more and more "photographer" doesent! I see lot of fake pictures even from big names, and everyone believe those pictures are was captured that way!
I know many "photoraphers, who are doesen't have even basic skills but everybody consider them as a photographer.
I believe it is not right!

I shoot on Fuji Velvia and Astia, with Nikon F6 and Pentax Z1p with Sigma zoom lenses.